Comments on: 2075: Where's the Luv for Muv-Luv? https://imnotdoctorwho.moegamer.net/2015/09/25/2075-wheres-the-luv-for-muv-luv/ Memoirs of a nobody Mon, 07 Apr 2025 08:34:57 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.0 By: 2093: Pondering Crowdfunding | I'm Not Doctor Who https://imnotdoctorwho.moegamer.net/2015/09/25/2075-wheres-the-luv-for-muv-luv/#comment-26 Tue, 13 Oct 2015 23:10:50 +0000 https://angryjedi.wordpress.com/?p=7942#comment-26 […] society: social media, and the effect this has had on the concept of "word of mouth". I wrote a while back about how the Kickstarter for Muv-Luv comfortably achieved its initial funding […]

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By: Pete Davison https://imnotdoctorwho.moegamer.net/2015/09/25/2075-wheres-the-luv-for-muv-luv/#comment-25 Tue, 29 Sep 2015 00:46:30 +0000 https://angryjedi.wordpress.com/?p=7942#comment-25 In reply to Suzushiiro (@Suzushiiro).

Yeah, just saw someone post this on Twitter. Better late than never, I guess!

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By: Suzushiiro (@Suzushiiro) https://imnotdoctorwho.moegamer.net/2015/09/25/2075-wheres-the-luv-for-muv-luv/#comment-24 Tue, 29 Sep 2015 00:41:08 +0000 https://angryjedi.wordpress.com/?p=7942#comment-24 Welp, there's one down- http://kotaku.com/one-of-japans-biggest-visual-novels-is-coming-to-the-we-1733474222

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By: Pete Davison https://imnotdoctorwho.moegamer.net/2015/09/25/2075-wheres-the-luv-for-muv-luv/#comment-23 Fri, 25 Sep 2015 18:33:41 +0000 https://angryjedi.wordpress.com/?p=7942#comment-23 In reply to Suzushiiro (@Suzushiiro).

Quite possibly… but then these sites will happily cover some indie game in which you watch videos or read text or whatever. (Her Story, Depression Quest, Christine Love's work, etc. etc. — not saying any of these are bad, but many are about as interactive as a pure visual novel.)

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By: Suzushiiro (@Suzushiiro) https://imnotdoctorwho.moegamer.net/2015/09/25/2075-wheres-the-luv-for-muv-luv/#comment-22 Fri, 25 Sep 2015 18:31:17 +0000 https://angryjedi.wordpress.com/?p=7942#comment-22 In reply to Pete Davison.

Danganronpa actually gets coverage from the mainstream games press for the same reason why Ace Attorney and Zero Escape do- it has actual gameplay beyond watching the story go by and occasionally making choices, which makes it appealing to a wider audience. I don't think identity politics/culture war bullshit has that much to do with it.

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By: SigurdVolsung https://imnotdoctorwho.moegamer.net/2015/09/25/2075-wheres-the-luv-for-muv-luv/#comment-21 Fri, 25 Sep 2015 14:43:11 +0000 https://angryjedi.wordpress.com/?p=7942#comment-21 In reply to Pete Davison.

Yeah, I love Danganronpa as well, but it's a good example of the overall theme. In the Western media horrifying brutal violence is fine, but a nipple or cuss words are not, especially among teenagers. Hunger Games, thumbs up, Fruit of Grisalia, thumbs down. Also, diversity in gender and ethnicity is all that matters in your editorial building, not actual diversity in the views of the media in which you cover. After all, it's not like Ebert actually ever sought out anyone that disagreed with him… or did he? Hmmm… >.>

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By: Chris Caskie https://imnotdoctorwho.moegamer.net/2015/09/25/2075-wheres-the-luv-for-muv-luv/#comment-20 Fri, 25 Sep 2015 13:44:25 +0000 https://angryjedi.wordpress.com/?p=7942#comment-20 I'm trying a new zen approach wherein' I try not to let this stuff rile me up anymore. Blood pressure and better quality of living, etc etc. But I always read your pieces, and you're dead-on as usual. The biggest shame, as you point out, is that these sites have the power to bring attention to these titles with their broad readership, and they simply choose not to. These are choices too – not oversights – make no mistake. Sites like Kotaku, etc. have staff with their finger firmly on the pulse of the Japanese/niche gaming communities just like you or I do. Someone at some level is making a judgement call NOT to give these titles press.

On a less wiggy conspiracy theory note . . . my goodness something about the art and character design in Muv Luv strikes a tremendous cord with me. I think probably because the lines and colors are so bold. I'm not a big fan of more soft, painterly anime styles. Thematically, it's super in-line with the type of Japanese media I like to consume. I'm not sure if I'm more in love with the girls or the robots, and that's my favorite position to be in. I'll have to look into the anime.

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By: Pete Davison https://imnotdoctorwho.moegamer.net/2015/09/25/2075-wheres-the-luv-for-muv-luv/#comment-19 Fri, 25 Sep 2015 11:10:32 +0000 https://angryjedi.wordpress.com/?p=7942#comment-19 In reply to SigurdVolsung.

Yeah, I only put that in there as a bit of snark because last time I criticised Mackey (the purported "expert" in such things) when he wrote something terrible, Kat Bailey came and whinged at me in the comments.

It kind of baffles me that sites will trip over themselves to praise Danganronpa — which is fabulous, to be fair, but certainly not free of the "problematic" stuff they love to moan about — but will totally ignore or outright berate other stuff.

Oh well. For this sort of thing, it's up to word of mouth and specialist sites, I guess. Although judging by the success of the Grisaia, Clannad and Muv-Luv Kickstarters, that doesn't seem to be working out too badly…

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By: SigurdVolsung https://imnotdoctorwho.moegamer.net/2015/09/25/2075-wheres-the-luv-for-muv-luv/#comment-18 Fri, 25 Sep 2015 10:46:44 +0000 https://angryjedi.wordpress.com/?p=7942#comment-18 Good article, Pete. I do have one quibble, though. "No mention of it at all on USgamer, even with their supposed experts on Japanese games and visual novels in residence." Supposed should be in quotes and highlighted and underlined. The last expert on visual novels in residence there was you. Repeatedly when talking about visual novels or confronting them over their horrible reviews of the medium it has become apparent that they may be aware of them over there, but they are hostile to them. The atmosphere over there isn't as bad as 1up got when I stopped going to that site, but it's getting close and I'm starting to not go there very often any more. It was already a one two gut punch when you left and when they got Kat Bailey. I have nothing against her gender, but I have everything against her cynicism. Now with their repeated hostility to anything sexual or anything otaku related, I just can't see myself going there much any more. The only place I even visit much any more is IGN, and that's really only to check their news feed for announcements and watch some game trailers. I don't need their editorials in my life either.

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